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Title: ***Importation of pre-1989 Vehicles. A Must Read***
Post by: cpu on May 13, 2010, 11:48:11 AM
[align=center]WARNING
DO NOT SHIP A MODIFIED PRE 1989 VEHICLE TO AUSTRALIA
UNTIL YOU HAVE RECEIVED IMPORT APPROVAL
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It has been reported on the web that the:

" Department of Infrastructure has recently, without any form of consultation or advance warning, begun
rejecting Import approval applications for the importation of modified pre 1989 vehicles. Many innocent individuals
have been caught by this sudden change in policy, and have vehicles in transit or stranded in foreign or domestic
ports.
The Department has belatedly placed an Alert notice on their website, and have issued a new version of the Vehicle
Standards Bulletin (VSB) that relates to importation."

Click on each of the below links for more information

1) http://www.asrf.org.au/docs/Import-Bulletin-001.pdf

2) http://www.infrastructure.gov.au/roads/vehicle_regulation/bulletin/importing_vehicles/general/pre1989scheme.aspx

3) http://www.infrastructure.gov.au/roads/vehicle_regulation/bulletin/importing_vehicles/general/pdf/VSB10_11.pdf
Title: ***Importation of pre-1989 Vehicles. A Must Read***
Post by: srh on May 13, 2010, 01:46:12 PM
There is a lot of talk about this on various hot rod forums etc
You would think that if you have a vehicle on the way and you have an import permit for it you would be okay! :mad:
Title: ***Importation of pre-1989 Vehicles. A Must Read***
Post by: mattlea1 on May 13, 2010, 02:28:56 PM
What constitutes a modified car, mag wheels?
Title: ***Importation of pre-1989 Vehicles. A Must Read***
Post by: usmusclecars on May 13, 2010, 02:48:34 PM
Good question Matt, that would be the million dollar one!
I am working on getting a reply to that exact question as we heard a car was seized because it had mags wheels.
From what we understand if you buy a 67 Camaro that has some mad blower out the bonnet etc if you can prove it was done before 89 you will be ok, but if it was done after 89 forget it you will not be granted approval.
Title: ***Importation of pre-1989 Vehicles. A Must Read***
Post by: mattlea1 on May 13, 2010, 02:53:46 PM
Can you imagine how hard that would be to prove.
So would there be a problem fitting a set of standard wheels and putting the mags in the boot and any other non standard parts?
Title: ***Importation of pre-1989 Vehicles. A Must Read***
Post by: usmusclecars on May 13, 2010, 03:20:31 PM
Not sure thats what Im waiting to find out, I would think you could do that. The problems is so many cars have already left the US and if you did not have your approval inhand then thats were the problem is going to be if you did not submit a picture with your approval they will request the photo and if they do not grant approval because its modified than you are in big trouble and the costs will be in the thousands of $.
If you have submitted a false photo and you do have the approval your car can still be seized once it arrives as you have falsified your paperwork. Not even sure who is policeing the arrivals.
Title: ***Importation of pre-1989 Vehicles. A Must Read***
Post by: 68PONY on May 13, 2010, 03:43:11 PM
Mick i was at price and speed when they opened the container with the olds , i didn't notice the custom guys with photos of the cars , but in saying that if the cars were modified they may have checked, after a quick look they told me all is good but will need to be cleaned, it looks like the days of bringing in a hot rod may be over.
cheers chris.
Title: ***Importation of pre-1989 Vehicles. A Must Read***
Post by: usmusclecars on May 13, 2010, 03:53:53 PM
Hi Chris, Customs do not attend the opening of containers, they are checked at the port before delivery to the depo for unloading, they will xray a container then if necessary they would open it, not 100% sure because its never happened to us, but they have been xrayed. Customs sometimes do a spot check at the unloading depo, usually looking for drugs etc with their dogs. But who knows now how they will police it.
On a happier note congrats on yours and Sharons new ride!


Cheers Yvette
Title: ***Importation of pre-1989 Vehicles. A Must Read***
Post by: Bumblebee on May 13, 2010, 04:22:24 PM
They were doing a spot check for Souvlaki!  It was for Chris you know!!

(http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc102/GT66US/Souvlaki.jpg)
Title: ***Importation of pre-1989 Vehicles. A Must Read***
Post by: 68PONY on May 13, 2010, 04:39:02 PM
Quote from: usmusclecars link=topic=3242.msg19290#msg19290
Hi Chris, Customs do not attend the opening of containers, they are checked at the port before delivery to the depo for unloading, they will xray a container then if necessary they would open it, not 100% sure because its never happened to us, but they have been xrayed. Customs sometimes do a spot check at the unloading depo, usually looking for drugs etc with their dogs. But who knows now how they will police it.
On a happier note congrats on yours and Sharons new ride!


Cheers Yvette

Actually it was aqis that were there , i thought they were part of customs but are a different department more do do with quarantine i suppose.
cheers chris.




Title: ***Importation of pre-1989 Vehicles. A Must Read***
Post by: 68PONY on May 13, 2010, 04:40:20 PM
Quote from: Bumblebee link=topic=3242.msg19291#msg19291
They were doing a spot check for Souvlaki!  It was for Chris you know!!

(http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc102/GT66US/Souvlaki.jpg)

MMMMMMMM lamb i hope :rol::rol:
Title: ***Importation of pre-1989 Vehicles. A Must Read***
Post by: Hemifish on May 13, 2010, 05:41:17 PM
Looks like KEVEN 07 needs to top up his super before he gets sacked  allways a goverment grab for cash as they will apply a special TAX to let modified cars into australia :mad::cry::cry::cry:
Title: ***Importation of pre-1989 Vehicles. A Must Read***
Post by: roadhound on May 13, 2010, 09:12:28 PM
If I was to import a 30 yr old car it would have to look
as it first came out, wheels and all.Bringing out
something that it wasnt can only cause issues with
the law makers and create headaches for importers.
Stick with importers that know their stuff and what you can
and cant bring in,  so recently built pro tourers a no no
but a recently restored car to original specs with paperwork ok


Title: ***Importation of pre-1989 Vehicles. A Must Read***
Post by: Fine 59 on May 13, 2010, 10:05:55 PM
Wow, looks like I just scraped in, I've only had this imported 59 cadillac for 3 months with mods done to it, just yesterday we missed out on a radically blown big block mustang from the states. What affect will this have with custom cars, thanks for the tip.
Title: ***Importation of pre-1989 Vehicles. A Must Read***
Post by: 65pony on May 14, 2010, 12:03:25 AM
Yvette a real quick question, if you did purchase a blown 67 camaro with mag wheels. What's stopping you just pulling the blower, bonnet and mags off to ship and just chuck em in the car as "spare parts" ?? Just chuck on an old bonnet and a set of crappy old rims so it looks stock.

I'm just really confused as to why this has now been enforced?? What are they trying to stop??
Title: ***Importation of pre-1989 Vehicles. A Must Read***
Post by: usmusclecars on May 14, 2010, 08:48:26 AM
Hi Joel,
Not sure why its been introduced as well, re the changing of the bonnet, removing the blower etc that would be something the customer would have to decide, remember you need to supply documented proof of the vehicle so therefore you would be falsifying a legal document.  You would also have to have the other parts listed on the BOS for Customs as all goods have to be noted. I hope to have answer soon on what is classed as "Modified".
On another note getting a seller to do that, that could be fun as you would know some of them even have trouble sending you the paperwork let alone changing the car for you!
Title: ***Importation of pre-1989 Vehicles. A Must Read***
Post by: usmusclecars on May 14, 2010, 02:18:54 PM
Ok, have spoken with Dotars - Modified means -
ie: a 36 Pick up truck stock standard is no problem
36 Pick up, new interior, new engine, mags, fibreglass body kit no approval will be issued.
67Chev Camaro - Mag wheels- were they on the car then, yes you can bring in, if it is now fitted with 20" Bling wheels no it will not get approval.
So basically the car you import must be original in all areas even down to the engine, if its fitted with a new crate engine no it will not get approved.
These rules have always been in place but were not really policed and now they will be.
Best thing to do as told by Dotars is to send an email with pics of the car you intend to bring in before you purchase with mods listed and they will be able to tell you within a couple of days whether the car is acceptable for importing.

This is definatley going to affect everyone even if your car is on the water now and you have not received your approval yet you will be contacted for further photos if required and if it is modified in anyway it will be denied therefore the car will be seized and further action taken.

I hope there is know one out there that will be caught up in this sudden crack down.

(This info was given to me over the phone I am still awaiting a reply via email which apparently has been handed onto a person that is more qualified to answer our questions regarding the modification clarification).

Will keep you posted as I get word!!
Title: ***Importation of pre-1989 Vehicles. A Must Read***
Post by: mattlea1 on May 14, 2010, 03:15:28 PM
Just seems ridiculous to me as you could bring in a stock standard car and then modify it when it arrives and you could still legally register it.:huh:
Title: ***Importation of pre-1989 Vehicles. A Must Read***
Post by: LeighP on May 16, 2010, 04:05:52 PM
Since when did common sense ever enter into the vocabulary of a government department?
This is designed, I'd say, to stop guys importing a fibreglass bodied 32 roadster on repro rails and calling it a 32 Ford.......although its overkill the way they've gone about it, and as usual its caught unrelated vehicles that aren't what they were aiming at.
Title: ***Importation of pre-1989 Vehicles. A Must Read***
Post by: bonnevista on May 16, 2010, 06:26:46 PM
Quote from: usmusclecars link=topic=3242.msg19365#msg19365
So basically the car you import must be original in all areas even down to the engine, if its fitted with a new crate engine no it will not get approved.


I know this is one of those 'what if' questions, but 'what if' I want to import a car with no engine or no front clip.  On that basis, how 'standard' is standard.  When you're looking to import something like a 45 year old Mustang, that's the sort of car you can buy with stuff missing (including engine) because you can get all the repro stuff to rebuild it.  If stuff is missing, you clearly can't put 'original' stuff on it.    
Title: ***Importation of pre-1989 Vehicles. A Must Read***
Post by: 68PONY on May 16, 2010, 06:38:26 PM
We were asked for photos but only exterior shots , so if the car looks stock but has a new motor in it you might be okay
Title: ***Importation of pre-1989 Vehicles. A Must Read***
Post by: 69LUCFR on May 16, 2010, 07:59:17 PM
Must admit, I was glad I saw this thread as I'm off to the US in July for holidays and a look see whats around.  May have to narrow my search a bit for something more genuine this time.  Haven't decided on Chev Camaro or a Ponti T/A yet.  Any recommendations on places on the US east coast??
Title: ***Importation of pre-1989 Vehicles. A Must Read***
Post by: usmusclecars on May 17, 2010, 08:51:22 AM
You can bring a car in with no engine, the car will still need a clear title for it to leave the US and also you will still need an import approval.

About the photo you supply, they can ask you for more photos and evidence, it is your responsibility to tell them if there are ANY mods,  if you bring a car in with anything modified and do not tell them you are still risking having the car denied entry upon arrival, even if you have approval, remember the document you sign for your approval is a legal document.
Title: ***Importation of pre-1989 Vehicles. A Must Read***
Post by: bonnevista on May 17, 2010, 10:06:26 AM
Quote from: usmusclecars link=topic=3242.msg19458#msg19458
You can bring a car in with no engine, the car will still need a clear title for it to leave the US and also you will still need an import approval.


So, I can fit a crate engine here to a car I've imported with no engine, but I can't import a car with one  already fitted.  
Title: ***Importation of pre-1989 Vehicles. A Must Read***
Post by: usmusclecars on May 17, 2010, 12:58:44 PM
Quote from: bonnevista link=topic=3242.msg19462#msg19462
Quote from: usmusclecars link=topic=3242.msg19458#msg19458
You can bring a car in with no engine, the car will still need a clear title for it to leave the US and also you will still need an import approval.


So, I can fit a crate engine here to a car I've imported with no engine, but I can't import a car with one  already fitted.  


Yes you can.  Not our rules!
But as usual you would have to check with rta rules regarding engine changes.
Title: ***Importation of pre-1989 Vehicles. A Must Read***
Post by: Hemihunter on May 17, 2010, 04:59:28 PM
How long does the import approval last for? got mine in Aug 2009 didnt need any pics back then , And still have not shipped the car...but this new rule has me thinking, I wonder if i need to update the approval and supply pictures etc?  Im just awaiting the clear title....what a long drawn out episode that is...:feedback:
Title: ***Importation of pre-1989 Vehicles. A Must Read***
Post by: usmusclecars on May 17, 2010, 05:16:50 PM
Quote from: Hemihunter link=topic=3242.msg19473#msg19473
How long does the import approval last for? got mine in Aug 2009 didnt need any pics back then , And still have not shipped the car...but this new rule has me thinking, I wonder if i need to update the approval and supply pictures etc?  Im just awaiting the clear title....what a long drawn out episode that is...:feedback:


Not sure you will need to checker with your shipper as to what they want you to do, I would think it would be ok but with the modification rule who knows, you would think that you have the approval dated back in Aug 09 so all would be fine. Gees thats a long time to wait for a Title, turn around is usually around 10 days!
Title: ***Importation of pre-1989 Vehicles. A Must Read***
Post by: 69DirtyRat on May 17, 2010, 09:28:10 PM
This is just madness!!! It just doesnt make any sense. Why do we need the RTA, why do we have engineer certificates, why do we have Blue slips. Maybe we should scrap the RTA then! Apparently KRudd knows more about cars than each states  roads/transport bodies?
When are all the car clubs (of all types) going to unify & get together and stick together and stop letting politicians walk all over us, even if you are in a one make/standard car clubs, some time in the future they will also be picked on! Why wasnt the people that it effects consulted? Isnt the whole aim of our political system to serve the people?
Complaining can help, look at what happened when the 4wd community got behind the stupid Lowing/Raising height rules were put forward... complaining reversed it!
Sorry about raving on, please dont delete me.:cry::cry::cry::cry:
Title: ***Importation of pre-1989 Vehicles. A Must Read***
Post by: roadhound on May 17, 2010, 10:14:11 PM
Madness is correct.I read from another post that this all may have originated in JAPAN  with those 4 cyl doof doofs being turboed and highly modded.and no one knows what going on over there so they sucked in the USA imports as well meaning all imports.
Title: ***Importation of pre-1989 Vehicles. A Must Read***
Post by: lazy69 on May 18, 2010, 06:28:56 AM
How would you go if you wanted to import a car that you didn't want to register say for the drags?
Title: ***Importation of pre-1989 Vehicles. A Must Read***
Post by: usmusclecars on May 18, 2010, 10:00:11 AM
Quote from: lazy69 link=topic=3242.msg19499#msg19499
How would you go if you wanted to import a car that you didn't want to register say for the drags?


You can do that because the import approval is different and you therefore cannot register the car ever. But you do need to have a drag license, race car license etc to import a race or drag car!
Title: ***Importation of pre-1989 Vehicles. A Must Read***
Post by: Hemihunter on May 18, 2010, 06:04:18 PM
Quote from: usmusclecars link=topic=3242.msg19478#msg19478
Quote from: Hemihunter link=topic=3242.msg19473#msg19473
How long does the import approval last for? got mine in Aug 2009 didnt need any pics back then , And still have not shipped the car...but this new rule has me thinking, I wonder if i need to update the approval and supply pictures etc?  Im just awaiting the clear title....what a long drawn out episode that is...:feedback:


Not sure you will need to checker with your shipper as to what they want you to do, I would think it would be ok but with the modification rule who knows, you would think that you have the approval dated back in Aug 09 so all would be fine. Gees thats a long time to wait for a Title, turn around is usually around 10 days!


You will be my shipper :rol: so maybe i will let you worry about rather than me  :smile:
The title wait was  due to Georgia Rules i believe, and not having a title to start with we had to apply , as its now out of state in SC, then Register the car there, and just wait out the 3 month period to make sure no leins against it.
Title: ***Importation of pre-1989 Vehicles. A Must Read***
Post by: usmusclecars on May 18, 2010, 08:04:20 PM

Oh ok,Well from what I have been told, even if you have an approval entry can be denied and that has been the rule forever, we personally  have never heard of this happening to anyone with an approval, but who knows now. So I would think it makes no difference whether its dated Aug 09 or May 10 as long as its before 12 months is up. Is it modified and to what extent?? If you do not want to put it on the forum you can email me ydonaher@bigpond.net.au

Thanks Yvette
Title: ***Importation of pre-1989 Vehicles. A Must Read***
Post by: usmusclecars on May 19, 2010, 10:40:33 AM
Ok,I have more info on the Modification for pre 89 vehicles.
Mags will generally be ok you may still be asked to supply more info basically if you have 22 inch rims you will be asked for more info. Engine changes, a Camaro that had a 327 Chev engine that is now fitted with a 396 etc, if its a crate engine you maybe denied as a new engine is more powerful than an original. When you supply the photos of the car you maybe asked to send in more photos and more info on the changes so they can make a decision on whether to grant approval.
Customs have always done spot checks, therefore if you have an approval for a 67 Camaro and it is checked upon arrival and it has a blown engine etc then you will be asked to supply more info and than it can become a problem as you have imported a vehicle which is not classed as a 67 model (pre 89) unless you have proof that the work was carried out prior to 89.

Generally they are looking for major mods done to vehicles, chasis changes etc.

Best to have approval in hand before shipping takes place and supply correct info to Dotars when applying then all will be good!!!
Title: ***Importation of pre-1989 Vehicles. A Must Read***
Post by: LeighP on May 20, 2010, 12:34:20 PM
Seems its time for some creative "spannerwork" on some cars....bring them in 'incomplete' with the engine shipped seperately as spares if your engine is newer than was available in 89. Then its a matter for the local rego authorities as to whether you can register the car.....after you put it back together here.
This is the same deal as the stupid airconditioning approval rubbish they go through....so people are just taking compressors off in the states before shipping, send the compressor back in a box and refit and regas here once you've got it in the country....a waste of time for all concerned because of some canberra based idiots.....
Title: ***Importation of pre-1989 Vehicles. A Must Read***
Post by: Bumblebee on May 20, 2010, 02:46:28 PM
Quote from: LeighP link=topic=3242.msg19556#msg19556
This is the same deal as the stupid airconditioning approval rubbish they go through....so people are just taking compressors off in the states before shipping, send the compressor back in a box and refit and regas here once you've got it in the country....a waste of time for all concerned because of some canberra based idiots.....


Leigh, don't beat around the bush, what do you really mean!!:smile:
Title: ***Importation of pre-1989 Vehicles. A Must Read***
Post by: usmusclecars on May 20, 2010, 03:59:09 PM
We have a customer we are shipping for and they contacted him today because he has different mags fitted, even though they are 14inch rims the same as factory, he has been asked to please explain:fingers:
Title: ***Importation of pre-1989 Vehicles. A Must Read***
Post by: 69DirtyRat on May 20, 2010, 08:30:37 PM
I wonder, does chrome/billet in the shape of an original part count as modified? eg valve covers,pulleys etc.
I also wonder how a 69 Vett would go if it came in with fender flares, raised L88 hood and side pipes? Because they were all actual original options! I imagine you would have to prove it?
Title: ***Importation of pre-1989 Vehicles. A Must Read***
Post by: bonnevista on May 20, 2010, 09:44:56 PM
Quote from: usmusclecars link=topic=3242.msg19562#msg19562
We have a customer we are shipping for and they contacted him today because he has different mags fitted, even though they are 14inch rims the same as factory, he has been asked to please explain:fingers:


Dear Mr. Canberra,
Well, um, you see, if you don't have wheels on the car, it's really hard to drive around.  I hope this was helpful.

Kind regards,
Mr. Car Enthusiast.
Title: ***Importation of pre-1989 Vehicles. A Must Read***
Post by: Fine 59 on May 20, 2010, 09:47:26 PM
I was looking at importing a blown 24 T bucket from the states but I now have concerns  in relation to this new policy introduced on the 4th May, aren't most if not all hot rods modified or customised in one way or the other and don't you normally pay for the car in full before you can apply for an import approval, dose this mean I have buckleys on getting that car here now.

  Cheers

      Mick
Title: ***Importation of pre-1989 Vehicles. A Must Read***
Post by: super 88 on May 21, 2010, 08:41:42 AM
Quote from: Fine 59 link=topic=3242.msg19577#msg19577
I was looking at importing a blown 24 T bucket from the states but I now have concerns  in relation to this new policy introduced on the 4th May, aren't most if not all hot rods modified or customised in one way or the other and don't you normally pay for the car in full before you can apply for an import approval, dose this mean I have buckleys on getting that car here now.

  Cheers

      Mick

Well if you talk to the seller and explain the situation that you need the import approval before you can buy , he might wait if your willing to pay more than anyone else for the car, other wise its just to much of a risk, our approval took 4 weeks for the olds, after 3 weeks they wanted photos of the car, the approval came a week after that, long time for a seller to wait , good luck with it mick.
Title: ***Importation of pre-1989 Vehicles. A Must Read***
Post by: usmusclecars on May 21, 2010, 12:38:27 PM
Quote from: Fine 59 link=topic=3242.msg19577#msg19577
I was looking at importing a blown 24 T bucket from the states but I now have concerns  in relation to this new policy introduced on the 4th May, aren't most if not all hot rods modified or customised in one way or the other and don't you normally pay for the car in full before you can apply for an import approval, dose this mean I have buckleys on getting that car here now.

  Cheers

      Mick


Hi Mick, Unless the car came out with a blown engine, which it didn't, wouldn't off, should have, there is no way they will allow this car to be imported into the country.:mad:
That is exactly what they are stopping from coming into the country.

Title: ***Importation of pre-1989 Vehicles. A Must Read***
Post by: us2oz on May 23, 2010, 07:52:03 PM
Hi Guys,
 As you are all  no doubt aware there has been a real "Shake up" of the whole motor vehicle import scene of late particularly targeting mainly historic(cars assembled before the 1/1/89)vehicles not covered by the RAWS system which is for post 89 vehicles which are covered by a whole different set of rules & licensing requirements.I have been watching the talk with interest on this web site & others & it is interesting to see what sort of stories,theories & just plain silly comments are being thrown around regarding the current situation!The fact is the "rules have not changed but rather they are now just being enforced"!Now that is a direct quote from the assistant to the Vehicle Standards Administrator at DOTARS in Canberra.Having said this I do believe that it is time to have a very clear view on just what the current interpratation of these rules will allow us ,the enthusiasts, to bring into this country.On the 10th of June I have been fortunate enough to be granted a face to face meetng with The Vehicle Standards Administator and his advisors to both discuss the current situation & perhaps discuss ways we can improve the import process perhaps through better communication/education,look at ways of streamlining the import approval process & just generally trying to have a say in a system that has a large affect on our hobby & people like myself who weekly bring these vehicles into the country.So as a courtesy to those of you that are looking to import a car,M/Cycle or even a Boat at any time in the future I would like to invite you to attend Tuesdays AMCCA General meeting for your input as I will be taking what I think are good points/questions directly too the Administrator.As time is always a problem at the meeting I  dont really want  to get into a long drawn out debate over what is right or wrong about this major crackdown on historic imports I would just appreciate sensible suggestions by way of questions I can put directly to this department & hopefully allow me ,& all the people/customers that have contacted me over the last few weeks ,to be able to have a clear view of what is required to import your new "Pride & Joy"with as little hassle & grief as possble so you can quickly get through" the rules of today" &" enjoy your piece of the past".Yvette & I take what we do very seriously & we feel that by getting definitive answers on this subject we can better serve our customers & as a consequence help the hobby we all enjoy to make a little more sence of the situation.
 See you at the meeting.              Mick....................  
Title: ***Importation of pre-1989 Vehicles. A Must Read***
Post by: 69DirtyRat on May 23, 2010, 08:11:39 PM
Thanks for looking into it!
Title: ***Importation of pre-1989 Vehicles. A Must Read***
Post by: Hemifish on May 23, 2010, 08:17:20 PM
NOT only are they targeting importation of modified vehicles , THEY are targeting any pre 89 road registered vehicle in NSW for modifications and NOISE as i was pulled over at camden on my way home today , i know i cant have a supercharger out the bonnett but i was booked $200 for NOISE and was told,  I must take it to the NEW,  DEPARTMENT of ENVIROMENT and CLIMATE CHANGE [DECC] for NOISE inspection , they are sending all old cars there INSTEAD of your local BLUE SLIP [putting any mechanic out of buiness] , WHAT im p#ssed over as they didn't even check for NOISE :lol: IM handing in my rego tommorow SELLING my engine and putting it back to standard with a single 2inch exhaust , :mad: no more modified old bombs in NSW even know its the 4cylinder dudes that caused this:smile:
Title: ***Importation of pre-1989 Vehicles. A Must Read***
Post by: joe74ta on May 23, 2010, 09:02:31 PM
Hi Mick and Yvette I have just spoke to Garry and Maureen and we have included your Discussion to the agenda of the next general meeting which has been brought forward to TUESDAY night. We ask that all members that have input to the discussion please take a little time to prepare there questions / response and stick to the issue at hand as Micks intention is to include the input from our club members to his address to the Administrator.
Title: ***Importation of pre-1989 Vehicles. A Must Read***
Post by: cluxford on May 25, 2010, 09:29:15 AM
G'day all new to the forum, didn't even know about this forum till today, been spending my time over on www.usmuscle.com.au  Will introduce myself more formally in a proper thread and looks like a great forum.  

The above mentioned issue is indeed an important one for us to understand and address.  Many people are tackling this through the proper channels.  I agree with Mick there are a variety of comments abounding on this, but for me it is a further tightening of our ability to have the freedom to enjoy our hobby.

I can't make the meeting tonight but will offer my support in anyway I can to help move this forward in a positive way for us.  The ASRF is already strongly representing this through the right channels.

572 Goat, that is very frustrating, I too would like to run a blower.  I have been for sometime thinking about how we could combine the club rego rules, the ASRF "Street Rod registration" rules into a national code fro low use vehicles like ours.  As our cars are rarely driven and if we can afford to build them, we can afford to build them safely.  NZ has the right approach to this.  Another topic for another day, but my view is that blanket restrictions on modifications has massive massive negative economic benefit for this country...we need to stand together to shift the thinking on this
Title: ***Importation of pre-1989 Vehicles. A Must Read***
Post by: Hemifish on May 25, 2010, 04:12:09 PM
G'day cluxford , my issue with my gto was for noise only they didn't worry about a defect for moving parts out the bonnett:lol: but to pass the NEW DECC ill still have to remove the supercharger becaure of height reasons even knowing that our cars are more SAFE & RESPECTED in the manner we drive our machines , [ i may get carryed away some times with a squirt or power skid but there is a time & place when i do it :lol:] IVE handed in my rego & ill put my car back to standard over the next couple of years then give the keys to my 15 yo SON when he turns 21 :bow: IN the mean time ill save up & im am buying a HEMI powered car:drink:
Title: ***Importation of pre-1989 Vehicles. A Must Read***
Post by: Steve on May 25, 2010, 08:41:56 PM
572 goat
its a shame you are going to do that to your car :(

I do however like the point Cluxford brought up re restricted registration .surely there are enough people with modified cars /cars on club rego /hotrods etc that SHOULD band together and actually lobby the governments Australia wide for some common sense rules to apply to our hobby !
Title: ***Importation of pre-1989 Vehicles. A Must Read***
Post by: AUSCAMARO on May 25, 2010, 11:04:51 PM
Quote from: ausmonza link=topic=3242.msg19706#msg19706
572 goat
its a shame you are going to do that to your car :(

I do however like the point Cluxford brought up re restricted registration .surely there are enough people with modified cars /cars on club rego /hotrods etc that SHOULD band together and actually lobby the governments Australia wide for some common sense rules to apply to our hobby !


As Steve just said, we are not a minority... there are sooooo many more people other than just car enthusiasts that will be hurt by whats happening.

Think of all of the businesses out there that will loose revenue as the modified car scene decreases, everything from Engineers to parts suppliers and manufacturers will be effected. Even Insurance companies...

The goverment is doing a number of things that in my opinion are only going to hurt or Country in the near future and as a MAJORITY not a minority we need to band together and raise OUR voices.

How many car shows are there each year... Get to them and get the word out... How many people have contacts in the motoring industry... Get to them and get the word out..

If something official comes form the meeting/discussion you guys are having, then count me in!!

Mitch
Title: ***Importation of pre-1989 Vehicles. A Must Read***
Post by: GAS455 on May 31, 2010, 06:52:50 PM
I wasn't able to attend the meeting(not that I can ever make a meeting due to work),  But was there any interesting info to come out of the discussion??

Will this affect bringing in an aftermarket chassis???
Title: ***Importation of pre-1989 Vehicles. A Must Read***
Post by: usmusclecars on June 01, 2010, 07:27:20 AM
Hi Greg,

Mick just explained the rules that they are now enforcing re importing pre 89 vehicles, the rule has always been there ie if you import a pre 89 vehicle it must not be modified, if it is you must supply details of the mods so they can make a decison on whether it is approved. If the mods were carried out post 89 you will not be allowed to import as it will then be classed as a newer vehicle. Our understanding is that if your vehicle is fitted with mags you still have to note this down when submitting an application. We have a meeting with the Administrator of Dotars the end of next week and will be able to answer everyones questions re the mods acceptable.
Bringing in a chasis - will check on that? We know if its already assembled with the car, no you cannot as the car is modified unless you have proof the work was carried out prior to 89.

Cheers Yvette
Title: ***Importation of pre-1989 Vehicles. A Must Read***
Post by: cpu on June 18, 2010, 04:03:07 PM
Found this on another site

FYI

(http://shelby.org.au/cpu/Importing/2010/Importationpre89a.jpg)

(http://shelby.org.au/cpu/Importing/2010/Importationpre89b.jpg)
Title: ***Importation of pre-1989 Vehicles. A Must Read***
Post by: Bumblebee on June 18, 2010, 04:31:25 PM
OK, so are 17 x 8" mag wheels and a 750 Holley on an Air gap manifold with extractors out or in?
Title: ***Importation of pre-1989 Vehicles. A Must Read***
Post by: usmusclecars on June 18, 2010, 05:00:16 PM
Mick will be discussing the outcome of our meeting at the next AMCCA meeting, he will be able to answer your questions then!  :thanks:
Title: ***Importation of pre-1989 Vehicles. A Must Read***
Post by: Fine 59 on June 18, 2010, 09:29:39 PM
Damm it , I'll never get that blown T bucket over here I had my heart set on.
Title: ***Importation of pre-1989 Vehicles. A Must Read***
Post by: heven67 on July 15, 2010, 04:55:27 PM
This isnt over yet...Had a call from a HOT rod Nut this arvo and he tells me in a nut shell anything pre 1990 wont get rego in the near future if its not allready registered.
Title: ***Importation of pre-1989 Vehicles. A Must Read***
Post by: cluxford on July 16, 2010, 06:05:53 PM
Update....I just got this from an ASRF member who is representing a broad section of us.  They had a meeting today with the Department of Infrastructure...it's a short update with more to follow



Al and I went along to a meeting at Infrastructure this morning.

VERY informative and we have a handle on what is driving them, and a path forward.

No guarantee we are going to get a complete fix, but I am pretty confident we can get some movement on the cars already purchased.

Can all people who have a car caught up please make sure they get me ALL their paperwork, as I have agreement from the head honcho for us to meet and discuss individual cases.

Long term future is not so rosie...... purchasing a modified car wihout proof it was completed before 1/1/89 is NOT a good idea at the moment
Title: ***Importation of pre-1989 Vehicles. A Must Read***
Post by: Benji on November 06, 2010, 03:57:41 AM
Dear Hemifish, its a shame you had to go to the extent of removing your motor to comply with a jumped up policemans opinion, I have no idea how Gary Myers gets away with having his mustang and the tower of a motor he has! .. on another note, having read this thread, I was looking at a '60 impala to import and one that i come across has 14" wires on it, same size as factory, it makes me nervous to consider bringing it in due to the fact that it might get disapproved on the basis that the wheels are not stock, and don't have an ADR approval..it also has compressed springs. probably doesn't help the case out at all, but in theory, i don't see why this matters, as the car will have to go through the necessary steps to be registered, and that would probably involve new springs, so regardless of the condition of wheels and such, it shouldn't matter, as long as its all complied by at the time of registration. Thats my whinge for the day -Benji
Title: ***Importation of pre-1989 Vehicles. A Must Read***
Post by: 69DirtyRat on November 07, 2010, 09:43:49 PM
You could always get a set of standard wheels to put on it, it wouldnt cost that much???
Title: ***Importation of pre-1989 Vehicles. A Must Read***
Post by: Benji on November 07, 2010, 09:59:30 PM
This is true, but it is a pain lol, besides i might be on my own, but i love wires. P.s lovely 'vette mate.
Title: ***Importation of pre-1989 Vehicles. A Must Read***
Post by: 69DirtyRat on February 07, 2011, 12:33:55 PM
Just a quick question? What are the advantages of bringing in a personal import these days....I have a friend in LA that will be coming back in about a year or two and has asked me that question. It was different when I bought mine in through the personal import scheme, I didnt have to pay duty, but now you dont have to pay that anyway, so is there any advantages? Yvette?
Title: ***Importation of pre-1989 Vehicles. A Must Read***
Post by: usmusclecars on February 07, 2011, 01:46:32 PM
The Dotars site has a section on personal imports. We have never brought one in under this scheme.
We know you do have to have proof that you have lived in the US and owned the car for more than 12 months.
I beleive you still are required to pay gst charges on the purchase price as you need to supply the Bill of Sale as per usual. If you like I can look into it further and get back to you??

http://www.infrastructure.gov.au/roads/vehicle_regulation/bulletin/importing_vehicles/general/personal_imports.aspx

and

http://www.infrastructure.gov.au/roads/vehicle_regulation/bulletin/importing_vehicles/general/EligibilityCriteria_2.aspx#five

once on above page click on 5. Personal Imports...

Thanks Yvette

Title: ***Importation of pre-1989 Vehicles. A Must Read***
Post by: sms777 on February 07, 2011, 02:55:13 PM
The way I see it if you owned the vehicle for over 12 months in the US you obviously hold the title in your name. Therefore no Bill of Sale required and no GST applicable.
I am happy to stand corrected though....
Title: ***Importation of pre-1989 Vehicles. A Must Read***
Post by: usmusclecars on February 07, 2011, 03:31:54 PM
Quote from: sms777 link=topic=3242.msg25699#msg25699
The way I see it if you owned the vehicle for over 12 months in the US you obviously hold the title in your name. Therefore no Bill of Sale required and no GST applicable.
I am happy to stand corrected though....


If the vehicle is older than 30 years old:

You are required to apply for a import approval under the Personal Import Scheme you will also be charged custom gst charges, the gst charges are worked out on the current value of the vehicle, even that you supply your BOS for the vehicle from when you originally purchased the vehicle if customs feel the value of the car is to low they will have a independant valuation carried out on the vehicle which will determine the value of your car.

Over 30 years you are required to pay 5% duty + gst etc etc.

Title: ***Importation of pre-1989 Vehicles. A Must Read***
Post by: 69DirtyRat on February 08, 2011, 07:03:13 PM
Thanks for that guys, when I bought the Corvette back as a personal import I was very annoyed that I had to pay GST because I already owned the car! in my eyes they had no right to make me pay for an item that I already owned I didnt have to pay GST on all my furniture and stuff that was bought back on the same ship so I asked why I had to pay GST on the car, they said "because its a car" thats all they could say and I had to cop it!