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Tech Talk & Articles => Fords => Topic started by: stanglover on August 09, 2010, 05:32:52 PM
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Hi there gurus......
This is what I'm thinking.......
option a) 460 Big Block with a C6 : should get about 600lb of torgue? 500+ hp ???
For the above, what would be required? I've seen them been put in to a 67 without notching the towers.
option b) 351 Windsor stroker: 408or418 with a 4sp toploader : should get about 500lb of torgue and 500-550hp???
For the above, whats the advantage over going for a big block?
option c) same as above but start with a dart block, obviously this is going to blow the budget out to about 17+grand??
All views and detailed info required and muchly appreciated, as I ain't no mechanic or mechanically minded.
Would definately like to avoid notching towers and avoid going RRS etc...
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Option (b) by a country mile for mine! Plenty of power, 9.5" deck height much more practical for maintenance and fitting (and far lighter so it will still handle well). Easier to purchase and get parts for, as well as mechanics to work on it. Plenty of bling available for it, won't cost an arm and a leg!
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Bas , the big block is bigger and heavier than a small block , with today's high performance stuff you can get big horse power from stroking a 351 windsor , sorry to all the big block owners but they really are only good for boat anchors , you will find it hard to fit extractors with a big block and good luck changing spark plugs , your car will handle better with a 351w due to less weight over the front end , there are no advantages in geting a big block , unless your lacking cubes somewhere else :zip: :lol: bas stop farting around get a 351w and stroke it to 408 or even 418 cubes , forget the c6 that's a boat anchor aswell just put a top loader if you want manual or stick a tricked up c4 if you want auto , c4's can be built to handle big HP and are lighter than a c6.
the 351w will fit the easiest out of the 2 and before you GM big blob owners get your nickers in a knot , i'm talking about ford big blocks :hangloose:
cheers chris
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Baz just quickly , yes i have rrs coil overs but i havn't notched the towers and i have plenty of room for my extractors with the 351w , my extractor primarys are 1 3/4 and they step up to 1 7/8 forget that with a big block and you would struggle to fit them in a 351 cleavland aswell , its windsor all the way baz.
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:theysaid::theysaid::theysaid:
I totally agree with both comments above Bas. Keep the 460 option for the F100 brigade, they way too heavy for a pony car.
Windsors look very neat in Mustang engine bays.
If you want something different i can always fit a 400+ cube small block Chevy in it for you....it would be a lot cheaper to build too :smile:
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Bas, a mate of mine in the Mustang club has a 351 cleveland and has to undo the engine mounts to raise the motor up on the near side just to chage the spark plugs!
I also read an article in a US Mustang mag that compares a tricked up C4 with the C6 on the strip and the C4 outperformed the C6.
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If you want something different i can always fit a 400+ cube small block Chevy in it for you....it would be a lot cheaper to build too :smile:
Obviously a Hemi is out of the question on all counts!! :zip:
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If you want something different i can always fit a 400+ cube small block Chevy in it for you....it would be a lot cheaper to build too :smile:
:omg::ban::ban::ban::ban::ban:
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I'm listening...........
but listen to this bad boy :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u04Cfp2n5U4
:cry:
........and read the comments.
Its just dreams at this stage, but I started to dream about Eleanor one day, and :gotya: it's in my garage:omg:
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If you want something different i can always fit a 400+ cube small block Chevy in it for you....it would be a lot cheaper to build too :smile:
Obviously a Hemi is out of the question on all counts!! :zip:
Hmmmm....HEMI! I almost forgot about the "easy to change spark plug option"
If there is a will, there is a way! :rub:
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Why don't you just keep your engine thats in it now , And bolt on a PRO CHARGER Supercharger , if the FORD can handle it :lol::lol::lol:
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As much as I luv Big Blobs, I think option B is best! Their is a lot less messing around staying with a small block. If the stang was an original BBF then I would say go Big Big Block! If you can get the magic number of 427-cubes in that small block that would even be better for nostalgia sake!
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Bas look at the responces 351windsor will be the way to go, FORGET about the big block and a c6..
GET THE BIG BLOCK OUT OF YOUR HEAD
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:agree: .........anymore responses? :boxing:
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As much as I luv Big Blobs, I think option B is best! Their is a lot less messing around staying with a small block. If the stang was an original BBF then I would say go Big Big Block! If you can get the magic number of 427-cubes in that small block that would even be better for nostalgia sake!
Well get one of these blocks and 427+ cubes is easily done , but be warned this could make a huge hole in your wallet :lol:
http://www.worldcastings.com/products/man-ofootwar-9500inch-deck-iron-block.html
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If your only looking at 500 odd HP..... Stick with the SBF.
If you are looking at more HP...then step up to an aftermarket block....In a muzzy, I would still stick with a Small block still though for above reasons: ease of maintenance, lower weight etc
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These days with just bolt on stuff it is very easy to get 500-550hp out of a small block. In a car the size of a Mustang that will put you well into the 11's & have more power than you will be able to use on the street.
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dream big - Big Block with a stroker kit and twin turbo's,
the stroker sbw as everyone suggest would be the most sensible choice,
or to really put it out there:
take some measurements, wait 12 months and try squeezing in 1 of these new ford engines coming out. Sorry but is called a Coyote?
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Bas
Big Block means Big $$$$$$ small block =$$
If you go with a big block you will need the following
* 9" diff
* strong gearbox or 5 speed
* extra strengthing may also be required
* notching of your towers
* possable RRS frontend
* engineers report
* upgraded brakes
all this will add extra $$$ to your build, just as a suggestion what ever your budget is for a big block then double it by the time your finished, thats what it will probally cost you. If your lucky you might get some change.
Please correct me if im wrong
Why not build a solid 302 or 351 and a under bonnet blower so you have your HP on tap :rub::rub::rub::way:
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Hi Baz,
What about 1 to suit everybody.....a Ford Hemi.
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Hi Baz,
What about 1 to suit everybody.....a Ford Hemi.
https://mail.google.com/a/lidco.com.au/?ui=2&ik=d72ac406b6&view=att&th=12a62282dc1f07f5&attid=0.1&disp=inline&zw
hmm....can't get to that link, you need a username and password.
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OK, try this one?
http://i976.photobucket.com/albums/ae247/arran1/SanDiegoCarShow007.jpg?t=1281575188
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Ok that looks freakin awesome, but I noticed no shock towers, so mine will have to be notched.
Which equals more $$$$......
Keep in mind trying to find the perfect solution on a budget.... I know that's silly but it is doable, it has been done before.
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Which equals more $$$$......
Keep in mind trying to find the perfect solution on a budget.... I know that's silly but it is doable, it has been done before.
Just make your budget $250,000 - it won't be a problem.:lol:
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Thats one good looking ford engine [ HEMI ] :fantastic: Since you have a budget for you project keep your engine , just go through it put in a set of forged pistons good gaskets , decent cam ARP stud kit , Then bolt on a side mount supercharger it shouldn't cost more that $8k:bow::bow:
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This is what I'd like....you can check out the youtube clip on the listing.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/FORD-RACING-ENGINE-5-8-MODULAR-DOHC-/170527278330?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories
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Gee i wish it was that easy put a monster motor in and it will put me into 11's funny the calculators put me into 10's but it does't get there. theres a bit more to it than that, like suspension and driveline, traction. before you build a motor you need to set your goals on what you want achieve i like option B obviously 500hp is easy and streetable. standard 351W blocks good up to 700ish hp if you want to spin faster than 6500 you need to go to an aftermarket block with cleveland sized mains big heads etc and it will all be getting a bit radical. then you can forget all the standard running gear the torque will kill it, sell the toploader while its still in one piece. cheap horsepower is a myth.
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Don't forget also at the end of the day it is all up to the driver.
You can have a car that is capable of 10 seconds but the driver is only good for 20 when he falls asleep at the lights!
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Yes the driver is a factor. but quarter time is quarter time.
reaction time is the time from when the light goes green till the car clears the staging beam. the quarter time is from there till the beam is broken at the end and does not include the snooze time. when you dial in a time for the quarter if you go quicker than that time you broke out and lose. if both break out the one by the lesser amount wins. if both run their time or above then its a total of the reaction time and time above dial in time with the lower total the winner.
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Carefull you dont go blind...My dad warned me about this...he said id go blind..and i only need glasses....:coffee:
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Hi guys, good to see all the old names here!
My SBF is 418ci, idles tuff, doesn't overheat, runs on pump fuel, and probably gets good economy (I don't have a fuel guage, but it gets better than I expect.)
It runs 11.1 on the 1/4, off the foot brake, Street Radial tyres, full exhaust, in full street trim, minus aircleaner.
I've driven it thru the city, to canberra, all without overheating. It runs 3.5 diff gears, so still cruises OK.
If I had your choices, between a 418ci Ford Stroker, a 460ci Big Block, a 460ci Dart Stroker Small Block, I'd choose option D or E, 550odd ci Ford Big Block Stroker, or 600+ci Ford Motorsport Big Block Stroker.
If your leaving the big block standard cubes, then build the 460ci Dart or the 418ci Windsor.
An Aussie built C4 will handle the 418ci (mine does) but don't try an american built one. You'd need the C6 to handle the torque from 460+ cubes, or a real expensive C4.
You'd want a 9" for any of these engines, unless you're running stocky 14 x 6 wheels/tyres, for reliability. I ran the stock 8" with 2.8 gears in mine for about a year, but I don't know how long it would have lasted. It was a single spinner, and was torturous on the right rear tyre.
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hi guys, was wondering who is building all these engines producing 1.5hp per cube aspirated that are daily drivers.
are these hp figures fictional as iam under the impression that a strong street engine usually makes 1.2hp per cube. so a 351 windsor would make 420-450hp flywheel, less driveline, especially if auto so around 350hp at the wheels. if you start talking more serious style engines you might see 520hp flywheel out of a small block, im sure if you drive a 350-400hp street car you will sh$t yourself and be more than happy. Whats that Roush engine in your mustang make Bee? that looks like a solid setup.
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Baz you forgot option ( D ) big block with an 871 blower topped off with a shot of nitrous , this generally works for me , we just missed out on one coming from the States before the new rules were enforced.