American Muscle Cars Australia
Club News => AMCCA Members Chat Room => Topic started by: 69DirtyRat on December 21, 2009, 04:29:23 PM
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Just for peoples interest!
I rang the RTA & For those contemplating bringing cars into the country...... if you have a car that was manufactured before August 72 you DONT have to get an engineers report BUT after that date you will have to get an engineers report ($$$) to get full rego! This is because the ADR system was introduced then!:drink:
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Of course, if you ring tomorrow, you'll get a different answer.
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Two words
Historic Registration !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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What is the point of historic rego? We are all here for a good time not a long time. These precious pieces of metal WILL still be around long after we are lying in the fields. I drive mine as often as I can, I paid good money & I am going to enjoy the thrill of showing it to the world, not locked up & driven to club sanctioned meets only. I have an old school friend who bought an MGB in 1971, new, he was a second year uni student for BMC or was it Leyland? he still has that car, immaculate, does 2km /yr to get it rego'd. What is the point? On the other hand, if you can afford to have a collection, that is a different story. Whew! Got it out finally! I know the members of this club do enjoy their rides & USE them EVERY weekend, club rego IMO is not worth the restrictiveness.
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if you have a car that was manufactured before August 72 you DONT have to get an engineers report BUT after that date you will have to get an engineers report ($$$) to get full rego!
As if a blue slip isn't painfull enough !
What's he going to report on ?
You don't need an engineer to tell you your indicators and seatbelts don't comply do you ?
It'll end up like SA where the car has to be 100% stock (not that they know what that is) to be registered !
It'll be historic rego for me (till they F-ck that up too)
I'm pretty sure you only need an engineers report if it's been converted ? God I hope you're wrong !
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Never give the twats your name when you deal with them.
I keep hearing almost every week that things are changing next year,the poor old rodders will be selling parts left right and centre on ebay if it happens.:boxing::mad:
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What is the point of historic rego? IMO is not worth the restrictiveness.
It's only $80 a year inc. third party.
Comprehensive insurance is also cheaper if on historic.
It's not really that restrictive.
Quote: "can be used on any club event or for maintenance"
That's very open to Interpretation.
I'd be lucky to drive my car twice a month, so paying a grand a year for full rego just isn't worth it to me.
I wish I could drive it to work, but I'd be broke in 3 months.
Cheers
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SS454, you need an engineers report for any import built after aug 72 to get full rego!!!! You need a Blue slip for pre Aug 72, BUT you still only need a pink slip for club rego!
I still might put it on club rego if for some reason my Burb doesnt pass the blue then I'll go pink! But I want full rego because its going to be a cruiser (and monsta truck to drive over Ponies) and a tow vehicle for when I ever get my Vette going, I will do some track stuff. I suppose I could always just tow the vette everywhere? If I ever get another (3rd) car I will put it on club rego.
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you need an engineers report for any import built after aug 72 to get full rego!!!!
I'm questioning what has to be engineered, if it's not converted and nothing been modified ?
Ask them what the engineer has to pass ?????
I can see the point with bicycle chain RHD conversions done in the backyard (some are friggin dangerous)
but for a LHD car that left the factory that way ? What's he going to inspect ?
Do you see my point ?
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Yes its all ridiculous,
another stupid example of govt department rulings gone mad.... before shipping I had to empty my perfectly good aircon gas (it was coverted to the newer gas) and throw out the dryer can WHY???? Now I have to go and put exactly the same gas back in??? Can anybody tell me why, it wasnt the old type of ozone depleting gas.
I still cant work out why we have to ruin perfectly good new LHD cars BUT its ok to leave older cars LHD???? as much as it is great for us it doesnt make sense either? they say its because it saves our local car industry, but most of the profits go overseas to the non-australian parent companies???
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Always comes down to an owners perception of what they want in a car
I have club rego and it is in NO WAY restrictive .can i use it every day to go to work NO and i would NOT want to
I can have my car left hand drive with USA seat belts ,red turn signals etcetcetc, personally i want my car to be as it left the factory and the only way i can do that is club rego ,also club rego means your car does NOT have to meet or pass ANY ADR,s ),
The cost of club rego is a bonus as in all honesty i rarely have time to use my car as something comes up most weekends HOWEVER its there when i have time
Owners of 30 year old cars that do not make use of club rego are mad in my opinion ,This club has a minimum of 1 run per week HOW is that restrictive ????also there are other clubs that have runs that you are allowed to go to ! If there is a particular place you want to go .......I am sure that you can organise a run for the club to go to (on short notice even through the forums ,as has been done in the past )
Yes some clubs see club rego as an old boys club ,it appears that is the reason many choose not to take the opportunity to make the system work without even consulting the club registrar to see what the rules actually are .
From my understanding some of the older clubs are more anal about club rego than some of the newer clubs
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you need an engineers report for any import built after aug 72 to get full rego!!!!
I'm questioning what has to be engineered, if it's not converted and nothing been modified ?
Ask them what the engineer has to pass ?????
I can see the point with bicycle chain RHD conversions done in the backyard (some are friggin dangerous)
but for a LHD car that left the factory that way ? What's he going to inspect ?
Do you see my point ?
He's going to inspect that (apart from being LHD) it has the same things Aussie cars had on them in the same year of manufacture.
I just scraped in. I got it blue slipped and regoed the same day I took delivery of it from W.A.
I'm still looking forward to see one of those bicycle chain conversions.
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I'm still looking forward to see one of those bicycle chain conversions.
My old 3rd gen Camaro was a chain conversion ,i had several friends from the USA drive my car over the years and every comment was "it drives just like my car in the USA " .........how many people have spent tens of thousands of dollars over the years correcting so called "proper " conversions ???
i have said it before on another forum
i have seen "proper" conversions that look like they have been converted by someone who has just drank 2 bottles of bourbon !
I have also seen some of the cars that have been wrecked out in Aus that have been converted "properly") the rust issues in some of the hidden areas are disgusting !
Unless you are able to actually convert a car yourself you are really in between a rock and a hard place as converters were/are only in it to make money ,therefore will buy the cheapest cars that they can (from the usa /japan )and cut any corner that they can to make more dollars out of each conversion ! an example is a converter (Amaroo park locationno longer in business 4th gen f bodies) bought all of his cars in from japan as wrecks and re built them in aus and onsold them to unsuspecting buyers !
Mustangs may be a slightly different issue as i believe they are just left hand drive falcons therefore the conversion parts were already made here by ford australia
converting a car from lhd to rhd is NOT a simple operation GM and every other manufacturer spent millions designing the steering components and suspension angles .............do you in all honesty think that any converter does steering correctly ? would most converters research steering or just cut and re weld in a "hope for the best "approach !
chain conversion leave all oem manufacturers structural parts in their correct location !
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He's going to inspect that (apart from being LHD) it has the same things Aussie cars had on them in the same year of manufacture.
Isn't that the job of the guy issuing the blue slip ?
Why a Mechanical engineer and the $300 that goes with it ?
I don't get it, nothing has been re engineered !!!!!!
Another government rip off !!!
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I'm still looking forward to see one of those bicycle chain conversions.
My old 3rd gen Camaro was a chain conversion ,i had several friends from the USA drive my car over the years and every comment was "it drives just like my car in the USA " .........how many people have spent tens of thousands of dollars over the years correcting so called "proper " conversions ???
i have said it before on another forum
i have seen "proper" conversions that look like they have been converted by someone who has just drank 2 bottles of bourbon !
chain conversion leave all oem manufacturers structural parts in their correct location !
Steve, I'm with you on the 'enclosed chain' style of conversion. Even thought the steering wheel is on the right, the car is still LHD as the steering is untouched. I drove a '75 Grand Ville in S.A. that had the (proper) chain conversion, and it drove great.
The comment I made was regarding the 'urban myth' of conversions done with a bicycle chain and a couple of sprockets, exposed to the under dash wiring. I've always heard stories about fully registered cars with bike chain conversions, but I've never actually seen one.
The truth is out there.
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I'd be lucky to drive my car twice a month, so paying a grand a year for full rego just isn't worth it to me.
I wish I could drive it to work, but I'd be broke in 3 months.
Cheers
With respect, considering what you'd have to pay to buy a big block, manual trans '70 Chevelle, I would have thought petrol would be the cheapest thing you'd put in it.
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He's going to inspect that (apart from being LHD) it has the same things Aussie cars had on them in the same year of manufacture.
Isn't that the job of the guy issuing the blue slip ?
Why a Mechanical engineer and the $300 that goes with it ?
I don't get it, nothing has been re engineered !!!!!!
Another government rip off !!!
Not sure where you get $300 from? I just had my car "engineered" and it was considered cheap at $600, many say expect $1,200, then the blue slip fee of $60 (when you have an adjustment of records like I did).
At least the guy who did mine (Consulmotive at Mortdale) was fantastic, but you'd expect that , he's building a street rod for himself in his workshop. I spoke to a couple of others first and they scared the cr@p out of me (timing window wipers, gas output readings etc etc etc)!
BTW, I probably needed to do it, because of the engine change, power RRS rack, wheels etc.
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Although this story is going back to the '80's, I remember talking to a guy from the N.T. who had a modified car and had to get it engineered.
At the time, you could go to an engineer that worked for their RTA to have the changes looked at and approved. The cost - $40.
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With respect, considering what you'd have to pay to buy a big block, manual trans '70 Chevelle, I would have thought petrol would be the cheapest thing you'd put in it.
Your probably right, half a tank ($50) gets me to harry''s and back.
I wish I had more time to use it, but the wife fills the weekends up months in advance :mad:
It's a garage decoration most of the time.
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BTW, I probably needed to do it, because of the engine change, power RRS rack, wheels etc.
It's been converted right ? So the an automotive engineer would need to inspect the work, I can understand that.
But I though we were talking about a 30 + year old stock LHD suburban ? Or am I reading this thread all wrong ?
Again, an engineers report on what ?
$300 ? yeah that was along time ago, I guess things have changed LOL
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No mine's not converted but being a 1966 car there are no ADRs, so when it was stock a blue slip did the job. When it was modified I needed the engineer's report..
I guess seeing the ADRs came into force in 1972, maybe there is a requirement to adhere to those specs?
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I guess seeing the ADRs came into force in 1972, maybe there is a requirement to adhere to those specs?
Would'nt that mean RHD would be the first requirement ?
Therefore going back 10 years or more when LHD was only allowed for WW2 Jeeps and earth moving equipment etc.
It's probably come from some high ranking RTA official that knows nothing about classic cars and won't be happy untill we are all driving a Prius !
More people should ask questions and demand answers when it comes to changing laws (even trivial ones)
I'll get off my soapbox now :zip:
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I guess seeing the ADRs came into force in 1972, maybe there is a requirement to adhere to those specs?
Would'nt that mean RHD would be the first requirement ?
Therefore going back 10 years or more when LHD was only allowed for WW2 Jeeps and earth moving equipment etc.
It's probably come from some high ranking RTA official that knows nothing about classic cars and won't be happy untill we are all driving a Prius !
More people should ask questions and demand answers when it comes to changing laws (even trivial ones)
I'll get off my soapbox now :zip:
That's something that's always bugged me about LHD cars needing to be engineered to 'comply'.
If you get a copy of the ADR's, the first thing it says is the car must be right hand drive.
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With respect, considering what you'd have to pay to buy a big block, manual trans '70 Chevelle, I would have thought petrol would be the cheapest thing you'd put in it.
Your probably right, half a tank ($50) gets me to harry''s and back.
I wish I had more time to use it, but the wife fills the weekends up months in advance :mad:
It's a garage decoration most of the time.
$50 would get me to Goulburn and back - I love LPG. Also, I don't have a wife any more (we're just divorced - it's not like I did her in or anything), so I make up the weekends as I go.
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I guess seeing the ADRs came into force in 1972, maybe there is a requirement to adhere to those specs?
Would'nt that mean RHD would be the first requirement ?
Therefore going back 10 years or more when LHD was only allowed for WW2 Jeeps and earth moving equipment etc.
It's probably come from some high ranking RTA official that knows nothing about classic cars and won't be happy untill we are all driving a Prius !
More people should ask questions and demand answers when it comes to changing laws (even trivial ones)
I'll get off my soapbox now :zip:
No, over 30 years can remain left hand drive (but other ADRs still apply).:smile:
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There is no reasoning with the twats.
Each phone call will result in a different answer.Even when they where all perched high in the offices at Rosebarry all under one roof,they couldnt get there crap together.
Some of them religiously had to buy the Mirror or the Tele to find out what day it was on the front cover,reading it was beyond them.
Years ago I put into Lizs, old ,oil leaking, smoke belowing,clapped out braking, 79 Gemini, A 87 model unleaded drinking,fuel injected turboed motor out of the very attractive Holden,Isuzu Piazza.
http://www.uniquecarsandparts.com.au/car_info_holden_piazza.htm
One would have thought enviromentally wise that was a good thing,unleaded,not belowing smoke like a steam train climbing the Blue Mountains,Brakes that could have pulled up a Pontiac with two large blokes in it holding a trophy,not these twats.
There main bone of contention after having the much required "charcoal cannister" and the catalytic converter in place was an unleaded filler neck,the small diameter,filler neck,it wasnt a difficult job by any means but that was on top of there list.
The twats didnt care about the cross member mods,the brake conversion,the wiring,the fitment,or what ECU it was running to ignite the fuel that goes in the much questioned filler neck.
There a bunch of twats,best thing the owner can do is be aware of what is done to there car, be familiar with the engineers report and the details that apply to having the engineers report created.
There is very good reasoning to the saying...What's the outcome from a room full of Engineers?? A wet floor.!
That might not apply to the RTA boofoons,they wouldnt find the room.
Happy Hooning
:boxing: TWATS
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Wooooooohooooooo I've really opened a can of worms!
Just to throw something into the mix, but nothing to do with ADRs BUT about stupidity of RTA..... Do you know that if you buy a car off a pensioner..... you the buyer have to pay the RTA the difference between the pensioners discount the RTA give the pensioner on top of your stamp duty when you get it registered!!!! How has that got anything to do with the buyer of the car, you are just buying a car, BUT you get penalised for buying that car from a pensioner by paying the RTA discount given to a person/pensioner who has nothing to do with you!!!! they gave the discount to the person NOT you!:boxing:
moral of the story...Dont buy a car from a pensioner!
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Wooooooohooooooo I've really opened a can of worms!
Just to throw something into the mix, but nothing to do with ADRs BUT about stupidity of RTA..... Do you know that if you buy a car off a pensioner..... you the buyer have to pay the RTA the difference between the pensioners discount the RTA give the pensioner on top of your stamp duty when you get it registered!!!! How has that got anything to do with the buyer of the car, you are just buying a car, BUT you get penalised for buying that car from a pensioner by paying the RTA discount given to a person/pensioner who has nothing to do with you!!!! they gave the discount to the person NOT you!:boxing:
moral of the story...Dont buy a car from a pensioner!
That's always been the case.
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Wooooooohooooooo I've really opened a can of worms!
Just to throw something into the mix, but nothing to do with ADRs BUT about stupidity of RTA..... Do you know that if you buy a car off a pensioner..... you the buyer have to pay the RTA the difference between the pensioners discount the RTA give the pensioner on top of your stamp duty when you get it registered!!!! How has that got anything to do with the buyer of the car, you are just buying a car, BUT you get penalised for buying that car from a pensioner by paying the RTA discount given to a person/pensioner who has nothing to do with you!!!! they gave the discount to the person NOT you!:boxing:
moral of the story...Dont buy a car from a pensioner!
However IF a pensioner buys a car off of someone who is NOT a pensioner they do NOT get a refund .............figure that out !
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O.K.guys.....
Before we all blow a head gasket over this ADR issue, let me set the records straight.
If you own a left hand drive vehicle that is 30 years or older, you can register it in NSW with only a simple blue slip. It only gets slightly more complicated if it was built after August 1972 where it has to comply with some ADR applicable to the year model.
If it is '73 model there is nothing to worry about since the yanks would have already fitted the items required by 73 ADR's.
If it is '75 model however it will require to be fitted with child restrain anchoring points. This is where engineering comes into effect because they want to make sure it is secured correctly insted of a couple of self tappers and some glue.
That applies to the rest of your seatbelts which need to be replaced with Aussie ones carrying the ADR labels. Once again requires an engineer to certify them.
If anyone wants to know more, i have the full list of ADR's at my work and more than happy to give you advice on what is required.
Call me on 02 9771 4144
Cheers, and Merry Christmas
Chris.
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I got my Blueslip today, yeeeehaaa! BUT I dont have an engine number, RTA are going to send me one? But does that mean I can register it then they send me the number OR do I have to wait for the number then get it registered???
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One would be easy for you and one would be hard for you.
Guess which one the RTA will make you do.
I'd have put a number on it before I got it inspected.
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:huh:??????... How did you get a blue slip without an engine number?
Your blue slip guy should have lodged a request for an engine number beforehand, then RTA issues a surrogate number that has to be stamped on to the engine block, reinspected again than you can be issued with the blue slip.
That was the procedure when i was doing blue slips anyways.
Chris.
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Chris is right. Seeing the blue slip guy hasn't put a number, you can't just stick one on now. The rta will issue one.
Not much longer!
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I'm a little confused also, He did call the RTA about the lack of engine number and they told him that they would issue me one but they didnt give me a temporary one? So how are they going to send me one? he didnt give them any of my details?? SO do I just make up something and try and register it?
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Welcome to dealing with the twats..
Ring em up Andy.Theyd love a call.....................:xmas:
Sure they'd keep asking "What suburbian are you in"
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Going back to what Chris said, you'll need identifying numbers on both the chassis and the engine, before the RTA will let you register it. The RTA will issue you with an engine number that has to be stamped on the block and verified before they'll register it.
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Do I go to the registry to do that?
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Andy, I don't know what happens 'today'. Back in ye olde days, when you would take your car to the RTA for a pit inspection for an original registration, they would stamp it on for you.
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Thats the thing, if they give me a number, I could stamp it and take it back the same day to show them or who ever?
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I don't see why that would be a problem. I'm assuming they'll issue the engine number to the vehicle with your Burb's chassis number. When the two coorespond, you should be good to go.
I would obtain guidelines on the stamping of the block from the RTA, just so you have no probs.
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Andy,
It is clear that your blue slip guy does not have the slightest idea what he is doing.
Do not attempt to just put a number on it yourself because there are guidlines on what format, size, location correct figures etc. and if it is not done correctly RTA will reject it.
Go and see another dude that knows what he is doing.
Give me a call if you get stuck.
Cheers and Merry Christmas
Chris.
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I went to the RTA today I have booked in to go to there Botany site to get the engine stamped on Jan 7, so as much as I dont want to wait that long, at least I can register it the same day (I hope!)
Chris, the guy is ok, its just he was very busy and didnt explain the process well enough, it all seems to make sense now, although he should have organised the rta stamping for me but he had 5 people standing behind me waiting, so I had to do it instead of him! I think thats what he was going on about, he still had to give me the blue slip with everything else ok then I take it to the RTA to organize for a Engine number! You can do it that way!
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January 7 - D'oh!