.....and to prove it, I just bought a.....wait for it.....PONTIAC!
69 Grand Prix two door. Came from one of our club members. Lots of rust but fixable.
Before you get too excited Mr Bonnevista....I am putting a Chevy in it and turn it into a daily cruiser    

When are you going to put Chevys in all those Mustangs you fix??

Besides, daily cruisers need to be reliable - stick with the Pontiac.

Congrats.  Would be good to see another Pontiac being used regularly!  

Even if chev powered (which has never bothered me anyway given the Australian delivered Parissiennes etc were all chev powered).

The 69 Grand Prix are nice cars.  They got a bit out of control gaudy in the mid to late 70s but the late 60s cars are much better.  Should make for a nice comfortable cruiser.

Mmmmmmm... A little disappointing Chris...

I'm not a Mopar diehard either...

Guess what..... I am in no hurry to get it on the road ....so I am toying on the idea of a .....6.1 SR/T Hemi engine. Do not worry....I can make it fit.
I love stirring up the Ponti boys. I have done it in the past.....:rub:

Quote from: sms777 link=topic=4592.msg28873#msg28873I love stirring up the Ponti boys. I have done it in the past.....:rub:

We just get a little tired of seeing our cars ruined with stuff from other brands.

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Quote from: sms777 link=topic=4592.msg28873#msg28873I love stirring up the Ponti boys. I have done it in the past.....:rub:

We just get a little tired of seeing our cars ruined with stuff from other brands.

Why?.....the factory put Chevs in them. What about the 403 Oldsmobile engine in the 78-79 Trans Ams?

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Quote from: sms777 link=topic=4592.msg28873#msg28873I love stirring up the Ponti boys. I have done it in the past.....:rub:

We just get a little tired of seeing our cars ruined with stuff from other brands.

Why?.....the factory put Chevs in them. What about the 403 Oldsmobile engine in the 78-79 Trans Ams?

Seeing you asked... This is just my view.  The Canadian Pontiacs (Parisienne and Laurentian) aren't real Pontiacs, just rebodied Chevies.  Not only do they have a Chev engine, they have a Chev chassis as well, which is completly different to the USA Pontiac.

Pontiac stopped producing the 455 in 1976 and the 400 in 1978.  The problem GM had, as we entered the age of emissions testing, was they had 5 different families of V8 engine to comply, unlike Ford and Chrysler, who share the same family of engines across their range.  Consolidation started to take place.  Olds engines also turned up in Cadillacs as well as Pontiacs.

Now, having said all that, if they came from the factory like that, well, whatever floats your boat.  The thing I've never got is the thinking that if you 'drop a Chevy in it', it magically becomes a much better car.  If you're looking to build something that makes 500hp as cheaply as possible, you can't beat a Chevy - not because it's a better engine - because it's not, just because the aftermarket supports it so well.  All the parts are out there, it's just a matter of $$$.

On the other hand, most of our cars are used sparingly and when they are used, get driven on public streets at the speed limit.  A pushrod V8 from a Buick/Oldsmobile/Cadillac/Pontiac works every bit as well as anything Chevy produce.

Puting a Chev engine in your '69 Grand Prix, as well as costing you time, money and effort, makes the GP less of a car (again, just my view) and worth less money when you go to sell it.

Like I've said to you before, if Chev engines are so great, why aren't you putting them in Fords and Mopars?        

I do not disagree with you Chris, like you said it yourself Chevs are cheap to build and are readily available. I never said they are better engines.
I ended up with the GP because I needed a Pontiac engine to fit back into my customers 79 TA to replace the worn out 403 Olds. See? I am trying to keep a Pontiac pure Pontiac. You would not sell me one of your many 455's so the GP was there with a strong 400 in it so I ended up with the dilemma what to replace it with after it's fitted to the TA.
Since I am a bit of a Hot rodder I love a challenge so I thought why not a Chev but now I am thinking about a 6.1 SRT hemi engine to be different.

Give me one of your 455's and I will keep it Pontiac for you.
Cheers, Chris.  

Quote from: sms777 link=topic=4592.msg28892#msg28892Give me one of your 455's and I will keep it Pontiac for you.
Cheers, Chris.  

That's the second funniest thing I've heard today!:lol: